Comments on: The Cost Of Finding A Job In The A/E/P Industry http://blog.civilengineeringcentral.com/2010/02/23/the-cost-of-finding-a-job-in-the-aep-industry/ building teams . engineering careers Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:30:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Kerry Harding http://blog.civilengineeringcentral.com/2010/02/23/the-cost-of-finding-a-job-in-the-aep-industry/#comment-839 Mon, 01 Mar 2010 19:14:03 +0000 http://blog.civilengineeringcentral.com/?p=2520#comment-839 As the president of an architectural recruiting firm, I’ve found one of the other unfortunate costs of finding a job in this depressed market is responding to the dramatic salary deflation — especially in markets hardest hit by the economy such as Las Vegas, Phoenix, Detroit, Seattle, Pittsburgh and Cleveland.

One of my candidates remarked the other day that, “100k is the new $80k,” meaning that there are enough highly qualified, desperate unemployed candidates out there who are willing to take significant pay cuts to have jobs that employers no longer have to pay people even remotely what they are worth. When one candidate asked about whether or not there was a signing bonus accompanying an executive level position, one employer responded, “Well, how much are you willing to give us to hire you?”

The people who have suffered most from this are the graduates of the Class of 2009 who are finding that people with 2-3 years experience after college are willing to work at entry-level salaries, just to remain employed. “What goes around comes around” applies to pretty much every aspect of life and those firms who have exploited people at this time will be struggling to recruit and retain top talent when the economy rebounds — and it will.

]]> By: llah http://blog.civilengineeringcentral.com/2010/02/23/the-cost-of-finding-a-job-in-the-aep-industry/#comment-838 Thu, 25 Feb 2010 17:01:28 +0000 http://blog.civilengineeringcentral.com/?p=2520#comment-838 I am an interior designer, downsized from an architectural firm in December of 2008. I have experienced a wide variety of responses to my employment inquiries. Many very kind responses from architectural firms, complete with supportive comments. More frequently however there is no response at all. When the follow up calls are made I have experienced a wide range of responses, some positive and some not. The call is important, yet difficult to screw up the courage to make the contact.

I have just secured a position in a related field, the pressure is off. Not the best career move, but I am no longer going to be struggling for mere survival. This is after more than a year of gut wrenching searching. I will keep searching for the career move, and I will find it!

As to the emotional stress of this time, my best advice to those in search of a position in this economy is to find an industry mentor and friend. Keep your skills current. Reach for your faith, find a networking group to generate leads and sharpen your skills. Be open to other skill sets you have used in your lifetime. Find a class like Dave Ramsey’s “Financial Peace University” to create a financial plan to survive this time and plan for your next move once your job search works for you. Spend quality time with family and friends. Be passionate about where you want to go and work on the additional skills it will take to get there. Keep smiling, the opportunity to work with a local jobs group, free through my local unemployment one stop agency, allowed me to see that no matter who is out of a job, or what kind of job they held, all job seekers are in the same boat. It is a buyers market, the one with the smile will win out! Your positive attitude is the best advertisement to someone with a job lead or connection. Take care,

]]> By: aepcentral http://blog.civilengineeringcentral.com/2010/02/23/the-cost-of-finding-a-job-in-the-aep-industry/#comment-837 Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:28:24 +0000 http://blog.civilengineeringcentral.com/?p=2520#comment-837 Absolutely! Something to think about for associations when times are better, perhaps they can build in sliding scales? Maybe they have that now?

]]> By: Sean Catherall http://blog.civilengineeringcentral.com/2010/02/23/the-cost-of-finding-a-job-in-the-aep-industry/#comment-836 Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:14:40 +0000 http://blog.civilengineeringcentral.com/?p=2520#comment-836 Another related expense that I am seeing is dues in professional associations (AIA, for example) and state licensing fees that were previously paid by my employer. We need to maintain these memberships and licensure in our job searches, but the cost is high.

]]> By: Dan http://blog.civilengineeringcentral.com/2010/02/23/the-cost-of-finding-a-job-in-the-aep-industry/#comment-835 Thu, 25 Feb 2010 15:03:05 +0000 http://blog.civilengineeringcentral.com/?p=2520#comment-835 I agree and continue to feel the financial and emotional pain of AEP job searching. I am particularly dismayed by the lack of follow-up communication from potential employers. After taking the time and spending the money to travel to sometimes multiple and distant interviews, the employers simply refuse to return my calls or reply to emails to tell me they have chosen another candidate or they need more time to decide or they deicded not to hire at all. It seems like basic professional courtesy to advise potential candidates where they stand and the status of the company’s decision. But of course, I can’t reprimand them and “burn bridges” for their poor business practice. I guess they figure its an employers market and they don’t have to treat candidates with any respect. Any similar experiences anyone can share?

]]> By: aepcentral http://blog.civilengineeringcentral.com/2010/02/23/the-cost-of-finding-a-job-in-the-aep-industry/#comment-834 Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:11:19 +0000 http://blog.civilengineeringcentral.com/?p=2520#comment-834 Thanks for your comments Babette!

]]> By: aepcentral http://blog.civilengineeringcentral.com/2010/02/23/the-cost-of-finding-a-job-in-the-aep-industry/#comment-833 Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:10:22 +0000 http://blog.civilengineeringcentral.com/?p=2520#comment-833 A/E/P stands for Architecture/Engineering/Planning….

]]> By: aepcentral http://blog.civilengineeringcentral.com/2010/02/23/the-cost-of-finding-a-job-in-the-aep-industry/#comment-832 Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:09:24 +0000 http://blog.civilengineeringcentral.com/?p=2520#comment-832 Hi Derek: Not sure if we mentioned it in a past post but you make an EXCELLENT point. Readers please note: DO NOT PAY TO WORK WITH A RECRUITER… recruiters are paid by the companies that hire them for the expertise in identifying talent. This could be a good discussion for the Civil Engineering Central Group on Linkedin.

]]> By: Babette Burdick http://blog.civilengineeringcentral.com/2010/02/23/the-cost-of-finding-a-job-in-the-aep-industry/#comment-831 Thu, 25 Feb 2010 13:35:01 +0000 http://blog.civilengineeringcentral.com/?p=2520#comment-831 Great post, Carol! And very timely. Job hunting is business development… for yourself! Anyone who has ever been involved in the sales process (even selling yourself to prospective employers) understands how difficult it is to remain motivated and engaged in the face of what can seem like constant rejection… or no reaction at all. You offer some sound advice and address the emotional ups and downs honestly and directly. Your information on how to potentially expense one’s job search is invaluable.

]]> By: Derek Behning http://blog.civilengineeringcentral.com/2010/02/23/the-cost-of-finding-a-job-in-the-aep-industry/#comment-830 Thu, 25 Feb 2010 05:41:07 +0000 http://blog.civilengineeringcentral.com/?p=2520#comment-830 Nice article, I agree with the whole thing. I am seeing some video conference / Skype interviews and would like to see more. Emotionally its draining to find a job, spending money is an added stress. I hope we recruiters are not trying to earn a fee from the candidates., Matt, Carol…I haven’t read everything you produced but with your huge audience have you let the professionals we work with know that they shouldn’t ever pay to work with a recruiter?

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